What are the plans for Doom10?

[cogman]

What happens if Doom9/neuron2 apologize to Dark? Does this forum go the way of the dodo? Or is it here to stay regardless of what happens at doom9?

Just wondering.  There are some valid reasons to start up a new web server. The biggest, IMO, being that Doom9 goes on vacations/deals with real life/ whatever the heck he does for pretty much 99% of the time. At one point he provided useful reviews and interesting insights to different encoders. Now the front page consists of nothing more then occasional updates saying things like EAC has gone from version 1.0.0.3.2.4.2 to 1.0.0.3.2.4.3

Either way, I'll be checking both forums until one or the other dies off.

[Daiz]

I for one will fully support Doom10 no matter what happens. Of course I'll still probably visit Doom9 until most of the important stuff has made their way over here, but from the very beginning this feels like a much nicer place to be at

[ChronoCross]

Well since neuron2 is a prick it leaves little motivation to go to doom9 since a majority of issues can all be resolved via this forum and as well as various IRC chats. Plus as you stated the news page for doom9 is basically an extended changelog and the main page guides are out of date which means the site itself is useless. the only reason to visit doom9 is purely nostalgic.

[Forteen88]

I for one will fully support Doom10 no matter what happens. Of course I'll still probably visit Doom9 until most of the important stuff has made their way over here, but from the very beginning this feels like a much nicer place to be at

I agree, 2neurons is like a tyrant (witch-hunting etc.) Unfortunately some developers are still only there, not here.

[Sensei]

Yeah, exactly my question: what is the vision of this forum? Like a year ahead or so?

Also link me to the initial brawl between DS and the rest


As for now -- D10 is nice and fresh. And atm useless. MPCHC? Haali splitter? MadVR? MKVtoolnix? MeGUI? fft3d? Various AVS script routines? <<-- Where are they? And I just listed some of the threads on d9 which I'm subscribed to....

[Bocom]

Yeah, exactly my question: what is the vision of this forum? Like a year ahead or so?

Also link me to the initial brawl between DS and the rest


As for now -- D10 is nice and fresh. And atm useless. MPCHC? Haali splitter? MadVR? MKVtoolnix? MeGUI? fft3d? Various AVS script routines? <<-- Where are they? And I just listed some of the threads on d9 which I'm subscribed to....

Give it some time. It's still pretty new.

[Rockman-X]

Also link me to the initial brawl between DS and the rest

Here. neuron2 has deleted some of the original posts, but it gives you an idea of the whole issue.

[aegisofrime]

Firstly, thanks DS for creating this forum. Doom9, while a useful source of information can also be an extremely oppressive place for newbies like me, no thanks to idiots like neuron2.

I'm glad there's other people who thinks he's a prick as well.

@cogman:

I'm under the impression that neuron2 or doom9 have apologized to DS, since he was posting on doom9 after he said he won't post anymore

[Dark Shikari]

Firstly, thanks DS for creating this forum. Doom9, while a useful source of information can also be an extremely oppressive place for newbies like me, no thanks to idiots like neuron2.

I'm glad there's other people who thinks he's a prick as well.

@cogman:

I'm under the impression that neuron2 or doom9 have apologized to DS, since he was posting on doom9 after he said he won't post anymore

One could say that, yes

[Dark Shikari]

@Administrator

Why are you allowing these insults when the forum rules specifically forbid it? Is there an exception that it is OK to insult neuron2? Or are you just a hypocrite?

See rule 2 here:

http://doom10.org/index.php?topic=2.0

I also reported these posts but no action has been taken.

I even PM'd you the answer to this, but apparently you didn't read my response, or you intentionally ignored it.

As the rules state, I will err on the side of lack of enforcement.  This is not doom9.  Unless a rule violation is extreme or actively causing problems, I am not going to use my moderator powers.

If you want a forum in which every single rule is enforced to the letter in every last situation, and every thread is filled with moderator edits, and you have to worry about the moderator with every single word you post, go back to Doom9.

Equally, however, do note that calling the administrator names is generally asking for trouble.  For the same reason above, I'm not going to moderate your post and edit out your insult either, but if you insist on causing problems, I may have to eventually take action.

Finally, I see that you reported these posts before even posting once on the forums.  As it is clear to me that you do not actually intend to contribute productively--that is, you only came to attempt to "call me out" for not being a rule nazi--I am not going to be very receptive to your cause.

[Dark Shikari]

I wouldn't expect a prick like you to be fair.

Now that's no worse than what you've allowed, so let's see if you are indeed just a major hypocrite.

You have not contributed productively since coming here.  If you continue to post without contributing productively, you will lose that privledge.  This has absolutely nothing to do with insults or whatnot--it is simply the fact that you appear to are only here to complain.  If you want to prove me wrong, do so by contributing productively.

I suggest that you remove your insult rule as it has no meaning.

I have modified it slightly.  Thanks for the suggestion.

Unless, of course you mean it applies if *you* are insulted. Then what about your rule about not using your moderator status?

I'm not a moderator, I'm an administrator.  As there is currently not a second person with moderator abilities, obviously I cannot apply that rule to myself, or else there would be no moderator for some situations.

This is yet another reason why I follow the "moderate on the side of caution" rule; as long as I don't have a "second opinion", I certainly cannot trust myself to moderate in any but the most extreme situations.

[Dark Shikari]

Actually, I am neuron2. I registered as Fred_Flint because I thought that you would block a subscription from neuron2. And I wanted to clarify things a bit before posting normally here. That's not unreasonable, right, especially if you are going to be condoning open season on insults to me?

So, may I clarify things further? It's OK to call people pricks and I'll just have to accept that. Fine. How about "faggot"? Is that OK? Help me out by making clear what the red line is.

When I establish that it will be safe to contribute here, then I can start doing so. Thank you.

You appear to be working very hard to justify the names that people have called you.  Perhaps if you stopped acting in such a fashion, you might convince them to stop calling you names?

I may consider moderating posts if people continue to attack you directly now that you have registered.  You are right that there is a reasonable expectation that forum members--whoever they are--have the right to not be treated like crap.

Personally, if I was you, and I wanted to contribute, I would have contributed significantly before stating who I was.  There are many people here who don't like you, and making your first posts in this fashion is probably not going to help their opinion.

[Dark Shikari]

And why haven't you responded to my friend request at Doom9? I try to make peace but you want to continue some silly feud.

This sentence makes me strongly suspect that you are not neuron2.  To prove your identity, please PM me on Doom9.  If you are in fact neuron2, no big deal; I just want to make sure.

Edit: Confirmed you are neuron2, thanks.

I accepted the friend request days ago; in fact, that's when I started posting on Doom9 again  

[mikenadia]

And what about editing deleting this comment ? (left as is since Nov. 30). That could have preceded your attempts of reconciliation.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=151026&page=2

And I agree that D9 and D10 complement each other.
Also, a ceasefire will probably be more than welcome by DoomX communities.

[Nicholi]

This forum can play a useful role as a looser version of Doom9. My only suggestion would be to tone down the criticism of Doom9.

Doom9 forbids any such criticism. Which is probably one of the primary reasons Doom10 exists in my opinion. People don't like being gagged when they merely raise the idea that something is a little off, or possibly suggesting the antics of a certain moderator really aren't that good for the forum as a whole. No questions, no speculation about the rules, and absolutely no criticism or someone will get in a tiffy!

The only way they complement each other I see is as where Doom9 rabidly limits people's ability to freely talk Doom10 allows it. Doom9 doesn't really have much except extremely outdated guides and stickies, a huge userbase of fairly stuckup users, and an even more hostile set of admins.

Personally I think its extremely wise of Dark_Shikari to not to turn into Mr. Rule Enforcer unless someone is seriously causing issues. Also people need to grow some thicker skin if they enjoy being rule enforcers and can't handle being called a prick. Hell you'd think someone who is so big on following the rules could follow the GPL without having a hissy fit.

[Mixer]

I want to say that both Dark Shikari and Neuron2 have spent hard time developing tools that I use EVERY DAY so I want to publicly thank them both for this and appeal to people to see sense and stop ragging on people for the sake of it.

There's too few really skilled and dedicated people contributing to this field for there to be such a big rift, I'm hoping with apologies here that people can swallow their pride and get on with what you do best - which is helping people create and use media in the way they want it.

I'm here because I'm a BIG fan of Dark Shikari.  I wish I was half as smart as he is!

But I went to Neuron2's website once and I thought the same thing.  Both these guys are pretty awesome and have contributed a lot to the community so nobody deserves being slighted in my opinion.

[TheRyuu]

Doom9 forbids any such criticism. Which is probably one of the primary reasons Doom10 exists in my opinion. People don't like being gagged when they merely raise the idea that something is a little off, or possibly suggesting the antics of a certain moderator really aren't that good for the forum as a whole. No questions, no speculation about the rules, and absolutely no criticism or someone will get in a tiffy!

The only way they complement each other I see is as where Doom9 rabidly limits people's ability to freely talk Doom10 allows it. Doom9 doesn't really have much except extremely outdated guides and stickies, a huge userbase of fairly stuckup users, and an even more hostile set of admins.

Personally I think its extremely wise of Dark_Shikari to not to turn into Mr. Rule Enforcer unless someone is seriously causing issues. Also people need to grow some thicker skin if they enjoy being rule enforcers and can't handle being called a prick. Hell you'd think someone who is so big on following the rules could follow the GPL without having a hissy fit.

This

[Shinigami-Sama]

This

pretty much; especially seeing as how the appeal process is skewed from a lack of active unbiased staff to handle them
I remember when any time I logged on there'd be 3-5 different staff online, now its more or less down to Don...
and occasionally swede...

[kypec]

I want to say that both Dark Shikari and Neuron2 have spent hard time developing tools that I use EVERY DAY so I want to publicly thank them both for this and appeal to people to see sense and stop ragging on people for the sake of it.

There's too few really skilled and dedicated people contributing to this field for there to be such a big rift, I'm hoping with apologies here that people can swallow their pride and get on with what you do best - which is helping people create and use media in the way they want it.

I'm here because I'm a BIG fan of Dark Shikari.  I wish I was half as smart as he is!

But I went to Neuron2's website once and I thought the same thing.  Both these guys are pretty awesome and have contributed a lot to the community so nobody deserves being slighted in my opinion.

I totally agree with you on this matter. People have emotions and make mistakes. All of us do sometimes. One can have bad feelings about other guy...as time goes by one realizes things were not what they seemed to be yesterday
Good luck to DS, neuron2 and all fellow users who can see real humans behind those great pieces of software they've created and keep improving every day.

[BigDid]

I wouldn't expect a prick like you to be fair.
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Out of focus (R1), personal and not nice (R2), reported.

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So, may I clarify things further? It's OK to call people pricks and I'll just have to accept that. Fine. How about "faggot"? Is that OK? Help me out by making clear what the red line is.

Out of focus and personal again.
If the goal is how insulting can someone be before getting moderated, I hope the answer will be no insult at all. I already paid too much on the other foum to the point of not posting any more, I hope it will not happen again here.

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This forum can play a useful role as a looser version of Doom9... Doom9 has asked for a certain rule set to be enforced and we do that.

I disagree, YOU enforce that, do not speak for the other moderators. If they come here to confirm I will trust them; until then I do not trust you.
I also hope this forum will not be defined in comparison to doom9, specially if the comparison comes from Neuron2

And I can take hits; I don't have a thin skin. So fire away!

Sorry to disagree, what I have seen is you give hits (either by choice or on orders) but on all occasion you took hits you over-reacted (usually with moderator powers)
Challenge: step aside as moderator in doom9 or use the doom10 Rule.15.C, ask another mod to be in charge when you are involved.

So long.

Did

[Dark Shikari]

I'm locking this before it gets any more out of hand